SISTE:

Krav for å inneha trenerlisens

Mange har de siste dagene spurt oss om hva DNT har krevd av travtrenere etter at 22 personer foreløpig har fått sin lisens inndratt for manglende dokumentasjon. Vi spurte Hanne Sæbø som er ansvarlig for lisenser i DNT om hun kunne forklare hva som skal ligge på plass for at en skal drive en

forretning i Norge.

Vi lar Hanne selv forklare.

- Jeg skal forsøke å lage en så enkel og oversiktelig oppstilling av de krav som pålegges innehavere av en profesjonell trenerlisens som mulig, herunder kommer både krav for å få og beholde denne type lisens. Felles krav til alle lisenser, og trenerlisenser, samt bestemmelser om treningslister, gjelder selvfølgelig også innehavere av profesjonell trenerlisens, selv om disse ikke er gjengitt her.

Det presiseres videre at oppstillingen nedenfor kun gir et utdrag av Lisensbestemmelsene, fullstendig reglement finnes på denne linken

Krav til kompetanse:

- Godkjent eksamen ved Norsk Travtrenerskole.
- Gjennomført og godkjent de til enhver tid gjeldende krav til etterutdanning.

Generelle krav:

1. Fylt 18 år
2. Folkeregisterregistrert i Norge
3. Minst 1 –én – hest i trening for andre
4. Lisensinnehaver skal til enhver tid være registrert i firmaregister i Norge (personlig foretak, AS, ANS, DA, eventuelt ansatt i firma som er registrert i dette register. Det skal årlig sendes inn attest fra dette register, samt skatteattest , til DNT
Når lisensinnehaver er ansatt i firma skal arbeidsforholdet på forlangende dokumenteres gjennom kopi av innmelding til, og årlig rapport fra trygdekontoret.
5. Lisensinnehaver skal stille en garanti – stor kr. 20.000,- for trenerlisensen. B-trener skal stille en garanti på kr. 10.000,-
Garantien gjelder økonomiske forpliktelser overfor Det Norske Travselskap, tilsluttede totalisatorselskap/forbund og utenlandske sentralorganisasjoner. Når disse forpliktelsene overstiger 50% av garantibeløpet, kan lisensen inndras.
6. Lisensinnehaver plikter å sørge for at regnskapet er i overensstemmelse med de til enhver tid gjeldende krav fra offentlige myndigheter, og at lisensinnehaveren, eller firma vedkommende er ansatt i, er registrert som næring i de dertil bestemte offentlige registre.
Firma som har ansatt mer enn én lisensinnehaver, må gi skriftlig beskjed til DNT, til hvilken lisens det er gitt prokura for å opptre på vegne av firmaet som travtrener.
7. Lisensinnehaver som er gitt konkurskarantene, mister retten til å inneha trenerlisens i det tidsrom og etter de bestemmelser konkurskarantenen fastsetter.
8. For lisensen betales en registreringsavgift, samt en årlig avgift som fastsettes av DNT.

Lisensen gjelder så lenge innehaveren oppfyller DNTs øvrige reglement og særskilte bestemmelser.

Alle lisenser fornyes ved årsskiftet, herunder også de profesjonelle. Det betyr at lisensinnehavere som ikke oppfylte ett eller flere av kravene listet opp ovenfor har fått stoppet sin profesjonelle lisens. Videre har DNT også, med hjemmel i Lisensbestemmelsene, krevd inn firmaattest, eventuelt registerutskrift fra Enhetsregisteret, samt skatteattester som viser restanse på egen skatt, arbeidsgiveravgift, merverdiavgift med mer. Lisensinnehavere som er ansatt i firma registrert i firmaregister, har måttet dokumentere ansettelsesforholdet gjennom en bekreftet utskrift fra AA-registeret på Hamar.

I tillegg har det blitt krevd dokumentasjon på ansettelsesforhold for de innehavere av profesjonell trenerlisens som rekvirerer stallmannslisens. (jfr. Lisensbestemmelsenes krav til stallansatt kjørelisens.)

Håper dette er med på å gi et bedre innblikk i de krav som settes til innehavere av profesjonelle trenerlisenser.

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til håkon

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Men hvis man er ansatt av en amatørtrener og skal kjøre på stallmannslisens, plikter man ikke da og kun kjøre får den amatør treneren man er ansatt hos, for å kunne kjøre på stallmans lisens, hvis man vil kjøre andre må man kjøre på amatør lisens?
Slik var det før ihvertfall.synes også att dnt er for snille i denne saken. Den treneren det er snakk om har hatt lang tid på å fikse opp dette, noe jeg tviler på att han noen gang gjør.

til oppgitt

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til oppgitt, tror ikke du kan regelverket nok,Stallansatt kjørelisens kan rekvireres av trener A og B eller av amatørtrener for ansatt med dokumentert heldagsstilling

så slutt og uttal deg om ting du ikke har greie på. at en a trener har mistet proff lis, for et stakket stund og blitt nedgradert til amatør, skal ikke gå utover en som jobber i 100% stilling. men en ting jeg kan gå med på er at alle a trenere som ikke klarer å levere papirer og slikt dnt krever innen en viss tid, skulle mistet alle retigheter til å melde hester, og heller ikke fått amatør lis.heller.vis jeg ikke betaler liss min til rett tid, så blir den inndratt tvert, og jeg mister rett til å melde hest itillegg. jeg har opplevd det selv.

stallmenn i forhold til att treneren mister lisensen

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når en A trener mister sin lisens pga. rot, er det ikke da naturlig att stallmannen som jobber for denne treneren, som nå er amatør trener får amatørlisens,og mister sin stallmans lisens? Ett eksempel på att dette ikke skjer ser man i stallmansløpet i v75èn på mysen. en av di kuskene jobber hos en amatør trener, og kjører på stallmans lisens ! skandale vil jeg si

Gaffelfakturering

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Jeg hadde også en hest hos en proff trener. Da jeg hentet hesten så hadde den fire tynne barberblad på høvene. Skoene var så tynne at jeg tok dem av før jeg reiste hjem med hesten. På fakturaen stod det skoing, selv om det ikke var gjort. Nå skal jeg ikke drive med uthenging av denne treneren, men jeg kommer ikke til å sette hest hos han mere.

For all del, jeg har hatt hest hos trenere som har fakturert riktig og har vært veldig nøyaktig med både fakturering og hestens og meg som kunde sitt ve og vel. Det er bare så synd at noen arrogante stormannsgalne trenere ødelegger for alle de som driver seriøst.

Svar 2 til Isebrand

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Godeste Isebrand!
Du har nok ikke helt oppfattet poenget i mine to innlegg. Mulig det er jeg som er dårlig til å formulere meg. Leser du litt nøyere vil du også se at jeg understreker i begge innleggene at dette IKKE gjelder hele yrkesgruppen.
Jeg har sagt fra til de trenerne som jeg har fått "gaffelregninger" av. Kommer aldri til å sette hest til noen av dem igjen uansett hvor gode resultater de har å vise til. Mulig du synes det er helt flott å bli lurt litt fra tid til annen og betale for tjenester du aldri har mottatt (les: hesten har mottatt). Det synes ikke jeg!
En annen ting er viderefakturering av tjenester. Har opplevd at det er gjort påslag på 200 - 300%!!! Det hører da ingen sted hjemme. I andre bransjer følger det stort sett med underbilag i forbindelse med viderefakturering. Det er ikke ofte man opplever å få det fra en travtrener, til tross for at treneren har fått kvittering fra underleverandøren.
Jeg er ikke ute etter å slenge dritt som du påstår at jeg gjør. Til det er jeg altfor glad i sporten. Men jeg etterlyser litt mere redelighet og god forretningsskikk blandt en del av trenerstanden.

Svar til abc.

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Det gjelder ikke deg sier du,nei selvfølgelig ikke.
Hvis du er så godt orientert som du hevder da burde du være voksen og si ifra til de involverte parten og ikke bare slenge dritt ut i løse luften,og mistenkeliggjøre en hel yrkesgruppe.

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Dette handler ikke om meg. Selvfølgelig kan man bytte trener dersom man er misfornøyd, det er ikke det dette handler om. Jeg ønsker å sette fokus på den holdningen som dessverre råder blandt en del trenere. Dvs. å tyne ut mest mulig penger av hesteeierne. Det er ikke ok at man blir fakturert for en skoing som aldri har funnet sted, det er ikke greit at et teppe man har betalt for ikke følger hesten når det flytter. (Det er jammen uflaks at det er så mange hester som ødelegger teppene sine rett før de skal flytte!)
For å få reell info. om hesten sin, både helsetilstand og hva som stemmer på fakturaen, er man ofte prisgitt å ha et godt forholdt til oppasseren og ikke minst at oppasseren tør å si sannheten.
Jeg gjentar at dette langt fra gjelder alle trenere, men dessverre en god del. Jeg har god innsikt i sporten, har selv jobbet på trenerstall og hatt hester i mange år, så jeg føler jeg har nok grunnlag og kunnskap til å ta opp dette. Vet jo også at det ikke er bare er jeg som reagerer på dette.

Proff, amatør eller lekebutikk

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Skal vi komme noen vei i Norge tror jeg DNT må vise utad helt klart hvordan de vil skille de tre kategorier.

Vi bør satse på den virkelige proffesjonelle travtreneren som kan drive kvaliteten i norsk travsport fremover. Det er trenere som har ryddige forhold, en sunn bedrift og som beviselig er tvers gjennom seriøse. Slike trenere bør få dele alle plasser på treningssentre som Nannestad osv.

DNT bør også legge forholdene til rette for oppoffrende amatører som bidrar med sitt til at vi opprettholder og øker bredden i travsporten.

DNT bør via langt strengere krav som Travpolitiker sier rense ut noen håpefulle klovner som vil leke butikk, som aldri oppnår resultater og som via gaffelregninger som abc skriver bare forsurer norsk travsport.

Til Isebrand. Når man er lurt for x antall tusen er det både bitter og for sent å bare bytte trener og la vedkommende slippe unna med svindleriet. Stå heller frem som hesteeiere og legg frem bevis, så vil disse trenerne forsvinne i skam. Det blir aldri ryddige forhold om det er holdningen vi skal vise kjeltringene.


Svar til abc.

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Du har jo ikke noe problem i det hele tatt.Er du misfornøyd,bytt trener .
Så lenge du betaler regningen gjør du som eier som du vil.
Er det vanskelig ?

Å skrive regning med gaffel

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Tror det er uteglemt et punkt på oversikten vedr. hvilke krav som stilles for å inneha trenerlisens: "Å skrive regning med gaffel". Virker å være så utbredt at man begynner å lure på om det er en del av pensum på trenerskolen å lure hesteeierne for penger.
Har vært hesteeier i mange år, men gleden med denne hobbyen forsvinner i takt med at man til stadighet mottar månedsregninger med kostnader som ikke er reelle.
Dette gjelder selvfølgelig ikke alle trenere, men problemet er tydeligvis så stort at Dnt bør engasjere seg. En holdningsendring må tydeligvis til.

næring

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Kravene burde vært mye strengere for å beholde trenerlisensen.
Fem på treningslista burde være et minimum,ingen kan kan drive profesjonelt med færre hester.
Opptakskravene til trenerskolen er alt for enkle,skulle vært minimum tre år på profesjonell trenerstall,for å få opp basis kunnskapene.
Stadig nye ukometente "travtrenere" kommer ut i markedet og dumper treningsprisene .
Er det plass til så mange trenere? Når 21 etablerte ikke greier å oppfylle disse enkle kravene.

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