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NYE HESTER I HESTEMARKEDET: Prime La Belle, Linus B, Tana Faxen, Valseth Tinder, Saxo K, Ellestad Lill, Røstekongen, Ziras Girl, Femme Arvells, Ghandi Arvells, Haras Arvells, Hayos Arvells, Honey Arvells, Gucci Arvells, Golde Glory, De Nofretete, Swing Secret, Odette Newmen, Fiona Arvells, Chiquita, Ricci Hornline, Broadway Arvells, Chris Tail Arvells, Thai Bazaar, Reef Garbo DK, Nes Lana, Teknologika, Komnes Ida, Muito Bonita, Spang Idunn, Lalita SAS, Valletta, Spikdrøm, Per Cassa, Madla Elden, Sulky, Greis Jorun, Paco Halbak, Åringshoppe e. Tin Tveiten, Åringhopper e. Bork Odin, Diverse hesteutstyr selges HESTER I HESTEMARKEDET: Prime La Belle, Linus B, Tana Faxen, Valseth Tinder, Saxo K, Ellestad Lill, Røstekongen, Ziras Girl, Femme Arvells, Ghandi Arvells, Haras Arvells, Hayos Arvells, Honey Arvells, Gucci Arvells, Golde Glory, De Nofretete, Swing Secret, Odette Newmen, Fiona Arvells, Chiquita, Ricci Hornline, Broadway Arvells, Chris Tail Arvells, Thai Bazaar, Reef Garbo DK, Nes Lana, Teknologika, Komnes Ida, Muito Bonita, Spang Idunn, Lalita SAS, Valletta, Spikdrøm, Per Cassa, Madla Elden, Sulky, Greis Jorun, Paco Halbak, Åringshoppe e. Tin Tveiten, Åringhopper e. Bork Odin, Diverse hesteutstyr selges NYE HESTER I HESTEMARKEDET: Prime La Belle, Linus B, Tana Faxen, Valseth Tinder, Saxo K, Ellestad Lill, Røstekongen, Ziras Girl, Femme Arvells, Ghandi Arvells, Haras Arvells, Hayos Arvells, Honey Arvells, Gucci Arvells, Golde Glory, De Nofretete, Swing Secret, Odette Newmen, Fiona Arvells, Chiquita, Ricci Hornline, Broadway Arvells, Chris Tail Arvells, Thai Bazaar, Reef Garbo DK, Nes Lana, Teknologika, Komnes Ida, Muito Bonita, Spang Idunn, Lalita SAS, Valletta, Spikdrøm, Per Cassa, Madla Elden, Sulky, Greis Jorun, Paco Halbak, Åringshoppe e. Tin Tveiten, Åringhopper e. Bork Odin, Diverse hesteutstyr selges

En franskmann i kurven

Florestan-sønnesønnen L`Ideal Bricois (bilde) er den eneste franskefødte avlshingsten som er tilgjengelig for de norske hoppeeierne om vi ser på stasjonshingstene for 2009. Hele seierspallen i Prix D`Amerique 2009, årgangstoppen Ready Cash og utallige andre stjerner har superaktuelle Florestan i sine

blodårer. I tillegg til å være en fantastisk morfar og far til nevnte Capitole er Florestan farfar til meget gode avlshingster som Passionnant, Podosis, Quito de Talonay for å nevne noen. Styrken som Meaulnes Du Carta og hans medborgere i Frankrike viser kan være verdt et tankekors i tider hvor våre egne hester sliter med å komme til mål i løp over 1609 meter.

I sin egenskap av å være helfransk på morsiden hvor begge linjene går via avlsmatadorer som Fandango og Hermes D, krysset med nettopp Florestan-linjen, det beste suksessbeviset for den franko-amerikanske avlshesten kan alternativet være interessant for den norske hoppestanden. Ikke minst på litt sikt hvor nettopp styrken kommer til sin rett i neste generasjon o.s.v.

Her kan dere se en oversikt over samtlige hingster som er tilgjengelig i norsk avl for 2009.

Se fullstendig liste over tilgjengelige hingster her

Se fullstendig liste over listehingster her

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Vi har sett det gjentatte ganger at de norske hestene ikke holder mål mot utlendingene. For å sitere Ludde Kolgjini: Det er ikke så rart at de norske hestene ikke kan måle seg mot de svenske, men når dere blir rævkjørt av danskene. Da er det på tide å våkne!

Vi trenger hester som har gener som gjør at de takler distanse og å bli brukt underveis. De norske hestene faller gjennom med en gang det blir kjøring i litt mer enn 500 meter i et løp.

De norske hoppe-eierene som ikke har hundretusener å rutte med, bør prøve den eneste helfranske hingsten som er stasjonert i Norge. Hans blodslinjer er de samme som hestene som var på trippelen i Prix De Amerique i år og L'Ideal Bricois har jo vunnet mange løp på Vincennes og har vist at han har både fart og styrke i massevis.
Dette bør være et spennende og godt alternativ for hoppe-eierne i Norge!

Varmblodsavl

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Hva med noe slikt for Varmblods men med litt høyere sum i Norge,
"Ny kallblodssatsning ger 15.000 kr till inkvalad treåring 2010 "?

0 poeng til tragedien norsk kåringsnemd

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En bunnløs skandale at ikke over the top-stammede lånesoldaten Livorno Star ble funnet verdig norske hopper, på bakgrunn av noe nonsens om at hesten, ja hva bygde argumentasjonen på? Idioti, så sneversynt og begrenset, ja, akk så sneversynt og begrenset, at det gjør vondt, vondt, vondt, og ingenting annet.


Livorno Star med hele ben hadde radet opp i Norge. Nå er det nok smerter som gjør at hesten feiler mot slutte av løpene hver gang, for etter pause kjørte Tholfsen etter Lill Adolf en runde igjen, og ble med til 4. Ifjor leverte hesten med masse starter bak seg comeback det stod respekt av 1. gang ut for Forkerud: Svær startgalopp, 70 meter terrengtap, og borte, men kom igjen og vant på 1.12 for Bjørn Goop. Ingen skjønte noe, aller minst kåringsnemda, og spillerne fra Skandinavia var sjakk matt: V65-verdien var flere hundrelapper etter avdeling 1 den Forus Open-dagen.

Helbroren Juliano Star leverer så det uler etter fra sitt ståsted i Stocholm, eid av Lindstedt og Stig H. bl. a, smartingene over alle smartinger innen travet. Det er pensjonen deres.

Juliano Star, stockholmstasjonert, er det beste beviset på at frossennsæd ikke holder om man skal ha elitehester, styrke og kontinuitet, vilje og hardhet over tid, fra franske fedre. Commander Crowe og Bobtail er ferske topper, og ingenting annet.

Livorno Star kan sammenlignes med Angus Hall og Conway Hall og Santana Lobell og Lord of All. Han har en bedre helbror! Det betyr ikke at han er uten sjans til å levere, herr økseskaft der ute. Lo9rd of All har levertt Remington Crown, 23 millioner innkjør. Om en naturlov sa at mindre heftige helbrødre ikke holder mål, skulle ikke den slageren sett dagens lys.

Florestan er morfar, og ingen hvem som helst er oppdretter: Dubois.

- Er det helt mørkt og iskaldt som gjelder?
- Ja, svarte kåringsnemda.

Hva har det med denne Franskmannen å gjøre?

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Nå har vi et kåringsystem i Norge og det er hva hoppeeierne må forholde seg til.
Det er vel ikke L'Ideal Bricois sin skyld at Livorno Star ikke ble godkjennt for Norsk avl!
Jeg har selv en hoppe som jeg skal prøve å få bedekt med L'Ideal Bricois. Dette er en rimelig hest å bedekke med, samt at det er helt nye blodslinjer i Norge. Det er det som jeg synes er mest spennende. Da kan vi få kombinert det utvannede Amerkanske blodet som mange Norske hopper har i seg. Her har vi sjansen til å bryte helt opp og på en måte begynne på nytt, og det trengs virkelig!
Nå har vi sjansen til å få hester med guts, styrke og utholdenhet til en brøkdel av hva de Franske frossen sæd hingstene tilbyr, mens vi i Norge kan få ekte fersk vare. Og som kjent er det en stor fordel!
Håper det er flere hoppe eiere som følger tankegangen min og gir L'Ideal Bricois en sjanse. Det kan lønne seg!

vi trenger nytt blod!

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for å komme videre i norsk travsport trenger vi helt nye blodlinjer.
bra med en helfransk hest i norsk avl som tilfører nytt friskt blod.
i mange år har vi brukt amerikanske hingster og det blir mye samme gener i stammene etterhvert.
l'ideal bricois har en sterk stamme som bør passe de norske hoppeeierene godt.

Ikke imponert

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Det er altids artig med nytt blod i Norge, men jeg tviler dessverre at L`ideal Bricois er det man bør satse på. for meg virker morstammen litt småskral, beste hestene som er kommet fra den morstammen er jitterburg(FR) 13,8 og Kaiser Zose 12,8 og det er langt bak. virker ikke som noen slagkraftig morstamme. moren har 2 avk som har tjen inn over 100.000euro noe som ikke er så imponerende i fransk målestokk. et annet problem er at de fleste helfranske passer best på hester med speedy crown i seg.mens Super bowl hester får ikke den samme gjennomslagskrafen som speedy crown på helfranske linje. Unntak finnes selfølgelig (cocktail jet er det beste unntaket) men de er i kraftig mindretall.
Og som vi vet så er Norge gjennomsyret av Super bowl blodet som idag er med på å ødlegge norsk avl.

Til deg Smokn lantern, jeg forstår ikke helt hva du mener er en god avlshingst når du mener Santana lobell og lord of all er gode hingster, bedre en broren speedy somolli. der er meget sjelden at en merr får 2 el flere gode avlshingster. Det blir som regel 1. resten blir som regel langt under gj.snittet.
untak finnes også er. amour angus og amour d`anou er 2 slike. men selv om lord of aller far til Remington Crown er det mye svakt under han. Men han viser seg som en brukbar Morfar.
Livorno star kommer aldri til å bli noen god avlshingst slik som broren Juliano Star. jeg tviler han hadde blitt solgt til norge hvis Franskmennene hadde tro på han i avlen. Men siden Lìdeal Bricois ble kåret, kunne de kåret Livorno star også. Men hadde jeg bestemt hadde ingen av de 2 blitt kåret.

Jeg håper jeg tar feil, for vi trenger nytt blod i Norge. Men jeg tviler, dessverre.

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Det spennende med denne hingsten er at den er bærer av florestan og minimalt us.blod.Dermed skaper man en outcross mot våres amrikansk stammede hester som har speed men dårlig distanseevne og fightervilje.
Tibur er en velkjent plussfaktor i svensk avl.Dubois har hatt kjemperesultat med sine fransk/amrikanske kryssninger.De halvfranske hingstene blir mindre attraktive i avl når de krysses med våre hester fordi man igjen møter
Super bowl,Speedy crowns. etc. som er i morstammen vår fra før av.Hybrid effekten blir da altså borte.Dette er den enkleste måten å forbedre vår hestepopulasjon på.Hvis man da ikke importerer et stort antall drektige kvalitetshopper.

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dubois har forstått det,helt riktig resonert.
det er nemlig det avl handler om.
mens potato chip som skriver hele dagen har kansje ikke tid til å sjekke fakta.
l'ideal bricois som bærer av det hyperinteresante florestan blodet som tok 3 dobbelt i årets pda.
har en mor som har produsert 2 avkom som har tjent 300.000 euro og ikke 100.000 euro som du feilaktig skriver.

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hvis du leser det jeg skriver sa jeg OVER 100.000 euro.
Hvis franskmennene hadde hatt stor tro på idealen i avlen tviler jeg på de hadde sluppet han til norge for den prisen han ble solgt for. jeg er vel en av de som bruker mest tid foran datan til å studere stammer. men vi kan jo ta ett veddemål bjarne. jeg vedder idealen blir en flopp i avlen vedder du imot.??

farfarsfar

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Det å vudere å bruke en avlshingst på grunnlag av farfrarsfar vitner litt om kunnskapen på stammer. jeg synes ialefall det blir litt tynt.

da må du vudere disse hingstene også.
hingst farfarsfar
suitcase star`s pride
victory party speedy somolli
armbro kissed speedster
indian silver speedy scot
gum ball speedster

alle olderforeldre her er enorme linjebyggere ala florestan.

Poenget her...

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... er at kåringsnemda ikke har visst eller vet hva den driver med. Buzzin Brian har avlet sterke og skarpe plussvarianter/ travtreneres ess og suksessfakorer i Sverige, men ble ikke funnet verdig noen tid på jorden her på denne sidenn av grensen.

Og så dere nemd-medlem Berit Tveter Alm i banen frredag, så skjønner man tegninga. Den suppetorskbeende kusken tok dødens med en Pål Even'er (som aldri takler den posisjonen, gad vite) der lederrygg på solid tethest/betrodd sak/god rygg ble avfeid som uaktuell. Hun hadde 100 meter på seg til å velge dødens eller rygg leder. Så valgte hun dødens. Og det var slutt siste bortre. Utsolgt.

Sånne godsette susedottere skal man ha seg fortalt av hva som gjelder???

PS. Potato Chip. Ta et kurs i norsk lesning. Speedy Somolli er best i søskenflokken, Andover Hall vel det samme, etter bravadene i Nord Amerika å dømme de senere år/prisene på auksjon rundt om.

Så er Juliano Star for Livorno Star hva legendariske og sagnomsuste Speedy Somolli er for Lord of All - sistnevnte er en far av en Elitlopsvinner, og har 70 avkom med over 100.000 sek innkjørt. Livorno Star har nok baller til i det minste å produsere en NM-vinner.

Men når både kåringsnemd og lesere velger seg dødens, ender det i det sure hjørnet alt sanmmen.

livorno star

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mulig livorno star har kapasitet til å avle en NM vinner. men som du selv sier at hesten er helseløs. og helseløshet har en tendens til å være arvelig.

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Potato Chip og dere andre der ute: Mora avgjør verdien. Somolli, og vi har VERDI. Star Gede e Florestan og vi prater VERDI.

Lord of All viste dette med sine over 650 avkom, hvorav 7, 8, 9 ble millionærer, og 170 - ikke 70 - tjente over 100.000 sek. Somolli-blodet levererte i kanaler utover Speedy Somolli.

Hva med kaldblodet? Oleanne, gullhøna, er et bra eksempel. Okey, så la gå at Alm Rigel kom tidlig og ble champion og betydelighet nr. 1 før Elding overtok fordi en pung tok kvelden og resten ble feil.

Gjør dette Alm Svarten til en overflødighet i avlen? Drøy påstand!
Alle tiders norske travkonge med 12-13 år i banen.

Lykke til.

Av det her kan man lese at man ville saget en helbror til Järsvsøfaks.Ja, man sager jo Kings Sugarboy og Norvelous Hanover, så Molbonorge vet best.

Almsbrun? Alm Kvik? Man kan nevne i fleng. Greia er at noen hopper har VERDI UTOVER EN SØNN. DA MÅ DETTE KUNNE PRØVES. SJANSEN ER STOR FOR AT DET ER VERDIFULLT:

fransk

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Poenget mitt var at franske hester har et outcross potensial(Tibur) mot us hester som vi besitter.Når det gjelder hester med helseproblem og arvbarhet så er det ett tankekors att vi avler på us. hester som bruker travhobbels og medisineres så tungt,at det er tvilsomt om de engang hadde vært starthester i skandinavia.En ting ER sikkert,hvis vi holder samme kurs som nå og har gjort, kommer man ingen vei.De som våger noe nytt kan få fremgang(ingen garanti).De som følger saueflokken,vel de breker

Er det mulig??!!!

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Denne diskusjonen viser med all tydlighet hva som er problemet med norsk avl... Det er ikke nok at en hingst er født i frankrike!!??? Få inn nytt blod er en god ting, men blodet må bære med seg kvalitet. Det som er importert til norge er hingster som ikke holder mål, så også L`Ideal Bricois... Kommer ikke til å avle en dritt. Faren har ikke avlet all verden, mor, mormor, og mormorsmor har ikke avlet, hoppe linja til farmor har ikke avlet, morfar har ikke avlet, hoppe linja til morfar har ikke avlet, , farfar har over 700 avkom og 1!!!!! har gått under 1.13.... Hingste linja til morfar har avlet Tenor de Baune, Passionnant er morfar til Kiwi, og Opus Viervil og Florestan har levert, spørsmålet er da om det er nok? Og det er det selvfølgelig ikke, det er så langt fra nok som du overhodet kan komme. Enda så mener man at dette er en hingst man skal våge og satse på!? Gjør hjemmeleksa!!!!! Alle de hingstene som lykkes i avlen har sterke hoppelinjer, hvis ikke hoppelinjene nedarver dør blodet ut, sånn er livet. L`Ideal Bricois skulle aldri ha vært i norsk avl, og kommer ikke til å få fram noe av verdi, garrantert!!!! Det er nettopp hingster av denne standaren som har ødelagt norsk varmblodsavl, og at man ikke ser dette er for meg et stort mysterium.

godt det er noen som har forstått mye.

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Takk, M
virket som jeg var den eneste som hadde studert stammen til idealen, men heldigvis er det flere som har gjort hjemmeleksa si.

Forstått hva??

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Kan du sjekke Tiburs morslag og så fortelle hvorfor denne løftet svensk avl.Den var så og si merittløs som traver selv og morslaget så som så.Den ble ikke kåret i sverige.Takket være sin velstående eier som brukte tibur på egne hopper ble hesten kåret på avkomsprestajoner.Det er hybrideffekten man er ute etter,ikke morslinjer,linjeavl etc.Man skaper altså en "ny" hest,forhåpentlig bedre enn den vi har nå.
Morslag er sikkert mer verd når man avler på helamrikanske.Hvis morslaget er nøkkelen er det rart att en champion hingst og helbrødre sjelden avler like godt.

Gi nå hesten en sjanse!

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Er dere virkelig så gode at dere har oppskriften på hvordan en god hest blir lagd?
Da er det rart at dere ikke har gjort noe med det og investert litt, for da hadde dere jo blitt millionærer!
L'Ideal Bricois tilfører ihvertfall Norsk avl noe nytt og kan like gjerne slå til som mange av de hingstene som allerede er i bruk.
Det dere snakker om i blodslinjer tar utrolig mange år å få endret på og det spørs om noen i Norge noen gang tar sjansen på å bruke de pengene som må til for å komme mange steg videre.

Det er ikke enkelt å komme inn på markedet med nye hingster når det er så mange forståsegpåere som sitter rundt og er verdensmestere og slenger fra seg eder og galle.
Om dere er så gode, så sett i gang med tiltak som kan hjelpe norsk avl. Intill det så bør dere la L'Ideal Bricois få sin sjanse, slik han har fortjent ved å slippe gjennom kåringsnemdas nøkkelhull!

tiburs morslag

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Jeg skal fortelle deg hvorfor tiburs morslag løftet svensk avel.
fra dette sterke morslaget har det kommet hester som:
Nina des racques
Ecu Du Beziau
Look De Star
Guenoso
Iakta Bochain
Pabelino
Frank Jau

OG SIST MEN IKKE MINST
-OURASI
VOURASI
PARIS HAUFOR

synes det er mye bra som er kommet ut av morslinjene til Tibur jeg. Litt bedre en idealen sinn. men det er min mening da.

Jepp det er mulig....

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Svar til Dubois : Potato Chip har gitt deg svar. Jeg vil tillegge at denne "hybriden" du snakker om er en standar fransk-amerikansk outcross, og denne "nye" hesten(?) har franske oppdrettere avlet fram i mange år. Og når du ser på hva slags hoppe linjer som ligger i denne outcrossen så er ikke det tilfeldig valgte hopper, det er fortsatt viktig at hoppene avler, og de som avler er de sterkeste hoppelinjene!!!!!!! ?? Hvis man skulle blande inn fransk blod i det norske oppdrette skjønner jeg ikke hvorfor man skal bruke en hingst "uten stamme", for det er i prinsippet det L`Ideal er. Da synes jeg man skal legge litt mer penger i det og f.eks bruke Juliano Star, som beviselig har både topper og bredde. De pengene man må ut med for å få en bedre hingst, har man uansett bedre muligheter å tjene inn igjen.

Svar til ZZ : Hva slags usakelig argumentasjon er dette??? Er det slik at kunnskapen ikke strekker til? Amerikanere, italienere, svensker, dansker og ikke minst franskmenn har skjønt "dette med blodlinjer" i årevis, og det er derfor de har hatt en slik sportslig utvikling. De har bevisst avlet på gode hoppelinjer, og brukt gode hingster. Uavhengig om det har vært tradisjonell linjeavl eller outcrossing. Dette er ikke noe nytt, og jeg har ikke noe å "bevise" i denne sammenhengen, bruk en halv time og studèr stammer så vil du oppdaget at dette stemmer. Problemet, er at det er for mange som satser på "lykken" og bedekker med en hingst som ikke holder mål. Og da er man inne i en ond sirkel som det vil ta noen genrasjoner og komme ut av. Jeg er ingen forståsegpåer, og jeg slenger ikke fra meg eder og galle. Jeg arrgumenterer bare utfra fakta. Jeg håper L`Ideal Bricois ikke får sjansen, han fortjener det ikke. Tar gjerne opp igjen diskusjonen om 4 år.

Ett bedre alternativ

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Det er ikke mange helfranske hingster i skandinavisk avl. men ett meget godt alternativ er Kiss Francais han koster 15.000 sek altså ikke så mye mere en idealen. han har en meget god stamme der moren har avlet 3 millionærer. han er linjeavlet på topphoppa arlette 111.
På den foreløpige hingstestatistikken i svergie for 3 åringer ligger han foran super arnie mucels yankee etc etc( men det er litt tidlig å gjør noen konklusjon ut av det).
en annen ting er at Lutfi Kolgini kjpte denne hesten for kort tid tilbake pga han mente Kiss francais var et meget spennendes avslobjekt, han skal selv bruke mange av sine egne topphopper.

Mye oppmerksomhet!

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Jammen har hingsten min fått mye oppmerksomhet.
Hyggelig det, selv om ikke alle er like positive.
Vil bare nevne historien bak kjøpet av hesten. Kjøpte han på auksjonen under Prix De Amerique meetinget 2008. Vi så først gjennom auksjonskatalogen og fant frem til 4-5 hester som vi trodde ville bli solgt til en overkommelig sum. Det dreide seg da om hester som var godt voksne og som selvfølgelig hadde gjort sitt beste i løpsbanen i Frankrike. Jeg fikk med meg Lutfi Kolgjini, som er en meget god venn, til å se over de hestene som jeg mente kunne være aktuelle. Med en gang jeg så L'Ideal Bricois falt jeg for han. Eksteriørmessig var han flott og bentøyet virket også solid. Vi gikk gjennom resultatene hans og i 2006 var han blant annet høyere rangert enn L'amiral mauzun på innkjørte penger. Han har vunnet 21 av 80 løp i Vedens tøffeste selskap og mange av dem på Vincennes og møtt de aler beste Franske hestene ved flere annledninger. Dette er et kvalitetsstempel ingen kan ta fra han!
Ludde var enig om at det var en hest som ville kunne gjøre det bra både i løpsbanen og eventuelt i avlsboksen. Han mente at hesten ville bli et positivt tilskudd til norsk travsport!
Etter å ha kjørt noen løp med han i fjor, fant vi vel ut at han måtte ha det litt som han selv ville om han skulle by til for fullt. Kanskje ikke så rart når han er blitt 9 år og har vært med på det meste en travhest kan oppleve. Han vant tre løp i fjor og var meget god ved alle seirene. Fra tet nektet han å gi seg, men når han måtte gå bakfra var det ikke like inspirerende.
Vi fant derfor ut at vi skulle prøve å kåre han. L'ideal ble funnet god nok for kåringsnemda og her står vi altså nå. Hesten reiste til Edland Avlsenter på fredag og jeg håper at han får sjansen på noen brukbare hopper også:)

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